The Jedi Reformations

[Storm11]

Project Renegade

Jedi Reformations
&
Restructuring ​

Version 1.2 (Update 1/30/22 10:44a EST)

The Problems
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I honestly am not sure if this aspect is even needing to be expanded upon. But we're already here.
The Jedi Order in it's current state is better to not exist, going forward with no end in sight I'd personally rather it be terminated if no resolution time table is presented. From there be no clear path, no command structure, no progression, no ability to roleplay or accountability. We have no aims to be given special treatment, just aims to be given the same basic rights every person on this server is offered when they first begin their journey. Paying to be stripped of those rights, stripped of the ability to rise through ranks based on our merits, stripped of our abilities to combat enemy events jobs (which should be our first role on the battlefield) stripped of any decent force powers or stances. There's nothing that doesn't need work in the Jedi, but as opposed to delegation we've been, as of this point reduced to nothing, been added without any clear end in sight.

Therefore I've spoken with Riddick, and with Codex launch it's my expressed goal to begin chipping away at these issues, if Codex deserves this change of improvement let it be seen by every player not just the privileged few.

Reformations

Jedi Linking:​

I propose a series of reformations, to neither make the Jedi too strong nor too weaken us. Simply I would like to see us on the same leg up as anyone else on the server. It's my hope we'd have Jedi acting like a support Battalion, with the incentives to link into Clone battalions to provide them additional support on the battlefield, as well as increase cohesion and communication between the two groups. It's been a common theme that these two forces are viewed as separate organisms or even rivals at times. With Knight's + needing to be linked to move upwards towards the ranks their leadership abilities and ability as support troops becomes more relevant to their career within the Jedi Order, Though incentivize them to be linking early on so they can have more oversights and their clone officers will be spoken too even moving from Padawan to path.

Jedi Leadership:​

This should give way to the addition of Jedi being able to earn the right to command clones in the battalions if they've been given that responsibility by their battalion officers, as well as Field & Secondary Marshal, as they'd be starting from the bottom just like everyone else and assessed in a near similar fashion to keep a balance on it. With that Jedi would have the same amount of ranks and time frame to move into those ranks as well as have a class of leadership & knight trials to determine if they have the ability to become Jedi Knights and serve as the "NCO's" of the Order. It won't be a pop on your Jedi and you deserve Knight, as the role of the Knight is as a Warrior & a Leader, thus it should be looked upon with the same standards we do to the NCO's the clones do as that's the standards Project Renegade has created, thank the force.

Jedi Paths:​

To further allow for development for non-leaders, the Jedi Paths have been created as a specialist rank within the Order as an intermediate from Padawan to Knight, They'll consist of a choice between Guardian, Consular, & Sentinel. Each with their own playstyles you'll be expected to roleplay as, so as to further display you're ability to work as a Jedi who is getting ready for his Knight trials. With the hope they'll be reflected highly in the skill trees and squads so that you're limited to that specific selection given to you. This will also allow for Knights of seniority within their paths to become Path leaders for further assessment of them becoming Jedi Masters. Guardian Path Leads will become Battlemasters, Consulars will become Seers, Sentinels will become Shadows.

Jedi SF:​

This process would be less of a command potential and more of the Jedi's equal to the ARC / Special Forces program. It's to gauge the Jedi's readiness for combat within our interpretations, this is a rough concept and not particularly ready to be rolled out. But it would position Jedi who are not built to be leaders, but high performers within their groups to expand on their skills while they're learning more before stepping into those positions. It would give them armor like mine "Armored Jedi models" as opposed to the basic robes our new models have since we have those variations becoming available. Not everyone can be a Leader, but some Jedi do a higher service to the order by being Alpha's in their field and this would reward them. During operations they can act with the main force, but have the ability to roll out as a strike team with SF when secondary objectives are given.

Jedi Future vetting:​

The Future of the Jedi is nothing at this point set in stone, therefore a Council should be appointed to discuss future changes to the Jedi Order. But an group shouldn't make changes to things that affect more than themselves. Thus the Councils changelogs should pass three tiers of groups before being accepted if it's a major change such as balancing, gameplay, & how they interact with others. The Jedi players should have the ability to vote on changes of the Council, then it should be processed through battalion commanders, and further staff / game masters to make sure the Jedi are refraining from demi-god status and more so augmented human / aliens. Not all members of the Jedi were Anakin or Windu level of force powers, but the time of the Republic most of the Jedi from the old republic performed feats the Clone wars era Jedi could only dream about.

Jedi Hierarchy:​

The Jedi Hierarchy is a parallels to reflect the Clone ranks, as to keep things on a similar progression point. We'll be reviewing similar things, but obviously replaced with more Jedi context and with additional matters from the Clones. This isn't the military, but this is an active religious Order in a military conflict. Thus their abilities as a warrior will be important, but so will their roleplay abilities, their path specialty they chose and how they interpret that into their gameplay, their knowledge on the Jedi Order and it's workings, and things like that. In addition when moving from Padawan to Path for example they'll be assessed by their Knights & battalion commanders to see if this is something they're doing good work as before the masters decide if it's something they've completed properly. Jedi shouldn't be easy to progress through but it should maintain the PR standards, just done differently than a straight up Military Unit. With that out of the way, the Hierarchy and it's conversion ranks are as follows

Commanders of the Jedi Order of the Renegade

• • Jedi Master [V]= Commander of the Order
  • Jedi Master [IV] = Lieutenant Colonel

Masters

• • Jedi Master [III]
  • Jedi Master [II]
  • Jedi Master
  
  
  • Jedi Master
  
  

Knights

• • Jedi Knight [V] (typical appointment for path leaders)
  • Jedi Knight [IV]
  • Jedi Knight [III]
  • Jedi Knight [II]
  • Jedi Knight
  
  
  • Jedi Knight
  
  

Paths / (Guardian, Consular, & Sentinels)

• • Jedi Path [II]
  • Jedi Path
  
  
  • Jedi Path
  
  

Padawan

• • Jedi Padawan [III]
  • Jedi Padawan [II]
  • Jedi Padawan
  
  
  • Jedi Padawan
  
  

Initiate / Cadet

• Jedi Initiate

Jedi Assessment & Responsivities
Jedi Masters

The Jedi Masters are members of the Order who have mastered the way of the Jedi in all aspects, and are now expected to structure, lead, expand upon, and educate the members of the Order. This is very much a role for the experts of the Jedi Order, not to be taken upon lightly. They make up the Jedi Council as they have shown utter devotion to the Jedi ways. Yet their critical thinking skills and abilities to step back and not only lead the Order, but to progress it with it's flaws and add to it's strengths. As we well as maintain relations with other units on the renegade acting as Jedi Liaisons. The Jedi Masters will make sure the Jedi perform well in the war effort, but do not lose their path along the way.
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Duties:

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  • Assessing & fixing problems within the Order
  • Hosting meetings
  • Maintaining Trooper Relations
  • Prompting reforms of flawed aspects within the Order
  • Battalion Officer Responsibilities
  • Junior Officer Responsibilities
  • Clone Liaisons
  • Knight Trials
  • All Previously mentioned duties below this rank

Assessment:

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  • State of the Jedi Order
  • Work done for the Jedi Order as a whole
  • Jedi Council Assessment
  • Leadership Skills
  • Prior Path Leadership
  • Personnel Assessment over all Matters Jedi.
    • Roleplay
    • Leadership
    • Wisdom
    • Tact
    • Maturity

Jedi Knights

The Jedi Knights are to be Leaders on and off the battlefield. This is a hard position to earn and leadership skills will need to be proven. These men should be examples of the Jedi to follow both from their own experiences as well as from the overview of the Jedi Order as a whole should add to their playstyle choices. Jedi Knights typically senior Jedi Knights are eligible to become Path Leadership (Guardians = Jedi Battle master, Consular = Jedi Sage, Sentinels = Jedi Shadow)Jedi at this rank are eligible for FM duties. Not everyone is entitled to this position. Additionally Jedi who slaughter innocents or standby for slaughters are subject to removal from Knighthood.​

Duties of the Jedi Knight

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    • Non-Commissioned Officer responsibilities.
    • Crystal Gatherings
    • Path Leaders
    • All Previously mentioned duties below this rank

Assessment for Knights will be as follows:

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  • 
    
    • State of the Jedi Order
    • Work done as a Jedi Path
    • Leadership Skills
    • Battalion Linked
    • Battalions Clone Commander Assessment
    • Jedi Masters Assessment
    • Jedi General Course
    • Knight Trials
    • Personal Assessment as a Jedi.
      • Roleplay
      • Leadership
      • Wisdom
      • Ability

Jedi Paths

The Jedi Paths are specialist roles within the Jedi Order. The Jedi Guardian, who uses the force to augment his physical based skills to achieve incredible acts as a combat specialist. The Jedi Consular, using the living force to manipulate the world around him. His affinity to the force makes him ideal for supporting roles upon the battlefield. The Jedi Sentinel, either a man between Consular & Guardian or a completely opposite Rouge. His ability to live beyond the Jedi while yet being detained to it, makes him unpredictable upon the Battlefield.
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Duties of the Jedi Path

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  • Specialists Responsibilities
  • Initiate Training
  • Serves as a role model to Jedi wanting to join a specialization
  • All Previously mentioned duties below this rank

Assessment for Path will be as follows:

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  • 
    
    • Actions done as a Padawan
    • Battalion Linked
    • Battalions Clone Commander Assessment
    • Jedi Masters Assessment
    • Personal Assessment as a Jedi.
      • Roleplay
      • Knowledge

Jedi Padawan


The Jedi Padawan is an apprentice of the Jedi, here to learn the ropes this Jedi has recently moved on from his Initiate Phase and is expected to somewhat act like it, his back story should expand on his personality but for the most part many of these Jedi are coming from the various Jedi temples in the galaxy, with few if any real world experiences. Don't play to win from your past, play to win from your experiences you gather with your journey upon the renegade forces and use that to built yourself into who you want to become. Your actions have consequences, if you do need help ask for it. If we can we'll assign to you one of our Knights + as a personal mentor, but that will not always be needed to progress.​

Duties of the Jedi Padawan

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  • 
    
    • Enlisted Responsibilities
    • May / must link to battalions for promotions
    • Serves as a the backbone of the jedi order
    • Learn how to play as a Jedi
    • Roleplay
    • • Knowledge
    • May apprentice under a Knight + if additional help is required
    • All Previously mentioned duties below this rank

Assessment for Padawan's will be as follows:

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  • 
    
    • Actions done as a Padawan
    • Battalion Linked
    • Battalions Clone Commander Assessment
    • Jedi Masters Assessment
    • Personal Assessment as a Jedi.
      • Ability to follow instruction
      • Classes
      • Trainings
      • Conduct

Jedi Initiate


A Jedi Initiate is just a recruits, they'll move past that rank after they've been shown how to be a Jedi by a Path +

Closing Statement
This article was not meant to appease everyone, a lot of factors had to be taken into consideration to justify any particular action. If you have any relative feedback, please Post here your thoughts questions, concerns or suggestions. Try to keep an open mind and be assured this is only the beginning fine tweaking this among other things will become a possibility once we've established this system to target problem areas efficiently. If Jedi is to remain in it's current state, it's my opinion it should just be removed. Becoming a Jedi and realizing what it was, was very disappointing if I'm being honest. We have an opportunity to fix this mess, and waiting on Riddick to solve problems he didn't create is not his responsibility. I'd like to thank Riddick for overall sense of direction and the chance to improve this already great server, Helasar for being the pillar of what a Jedi should be, Iken for feedback, and most importantly Kanye West.

The point of this is not to give Jedi an advantage, but just to allow us the opportunity to have a chance at growth within this server as a supporting roleplay battalion and as individuals.

Please +1 if you're in agreement on a broad selection but give feedback on alterations you'd like to see, -1 if you disagree with an entirety of what's been presented. FEEDBACK is needed if we're to go anywhere, ​

 

[Epsilon]

I thoroughly enjoyed playing as a Jedi healer back in 2017/18 so I 100% agree with making Jedi a support based battalion, hell I always thought it should've been one. Also making Jedi more Rp centered is a fantastic idea, I loved every single op I was able to get my slimy little hands on. +1 - Iota

 

[Storm11]

I thoroughly enjoyed playing as a Jedi healer back in 2017/18 so I 100% agree with making Jedi a support based battalion, hell I always thought it should've been one. Also making Jedi more Rp centered is a fantastic idea, I loved every single op I was able to get my slimy little hands on. +1 - Iota

Thank you sir, hopefully we can replicate and expand upon the glory days for you

 

[Iken]

Big +1
In my mind this is the correct path to put jedi towards. In the past they've been very disconnected which lead to distaste from some of the regular troopers. Having had regimental jedis in the past, it is a really enjoyable game play aspect to fight with them. I personally have no issues with any sort of integration into the officer team and regiments, and I would be happy to help start that relationship on the High Command side of things. Make sure Jedi are affiliated with battalions is also a great idea in my opinion, this would keep from a group of jedi wrecking house in an event (if they were brought up to an acceptable standard) and also make a battalion more "complete."

The only thing I would change is Council should be a title, not its own rank, as is HC, Battalion commanders, etc.

Great job Stark.

 

[Storm11]

Big +1
In my mind this is the correct path to put jedi towards. In the past they've been very disconnected which lead to distaste from some of the regular troopers. Having had regimental jedis in the past, it is a really enjoyable game play aspect to fight with them. I personally have no issues with any sort of integration into the officer team and regiments, and I would be happy to help start that relationship on the High Command side of things. Make sure Jedi are affiliated with battalions is also a great idea in my opinion, this would keep from a group of jedi wrecking house in an event (if they were brought up to an acceptable standard) and also make a battalion more "complete."

The only thing I would change is Council should be a title, not its own rank, as is HC, Battalion commanders, etc.

Great job Stark.

Thank you sir, and going forward i'm hoping we'll have that opportunity to work together further. As far as the council part thats a pretty fair way to do it ngl, I don't usually rely on lore too hard but when it's possible & or convienent theres no reason as to not adhere to it. Will change those two council positions to Jedi Master [IV] & [V] but allow all Masters to be able to pick up Council positions while using [IV] & [V] as CO & XO conversions.

 

[Chevy]

+1
Jedi is in a pretty rough spot from what ive seen. this would def help them get back on their feet and make jedi more fun for those jedi players

 

[Jek]

+1
My feelings on this are basically the same as Iken's. While proper Jedi reworks of the skill trees in the manner you proposed will probably take a bit of time, considering Riddick's workload, some of the basic organization elements could probably start being arranged relatively easily.

 

[Storm11]

As far as wiltos, hoping he'd be open to delegating that to myself. I have minor experience in that field and it's not anything too crazy.

 

[orphanator]

Aside from FMing as long as Jedi are not running around giving orders to clones a is a +1 from me. Ive fought for Similar stuff in the past and we have have had a lot of similar programs so I am for it.

 

[Ya Boi Sierron]

+1

Jedi is currently in the worst space its ever been. I something worthwhile would be neat. We've attempted many parts of this restructuring plan before, but there's never been a uniform plan to function under, it was ever changing, so good and bad ideas constantly get swapped and dropped.

Jedi Should absolutely function as a support team to the clones. There should be reliance on clones to progress as a jedi. Your progression and growth as a jedi character takes priority over your military growth. Battalion Link should not be mandatory, but encouraged. However even if not linked, must still play their role.

Council ought to be a title, akin to high command like Iken said. But attainable as long as your a master of any of the ranks.

A continuous concern of mine is how the leadership will begin in the first place, Given the full rank reset + only way to progress being AFKing.

Will new leaders be rank skipped and such to fill slots, and how're they gonna be chosen, ya dig?

 

[Storm11]

Aside from FMing as long as Jedi are not running around giving orders to clones a is a +1 from me. Ive fought for Similar stuff in the past and we have have had a lot of similar programs so I am for it.

Well it's a compromise, if a jedi has earned that privilege within his battalion at his CO'S approval he should be allowed to have command potential within his unit, if he links the concept is he's working his way in from private just like everyone else and his rank is heavily reliant on his performance within his unit as well to q degree

 

[Storm11]

+1

Jedi is currently in the worst space its ever been. I something worthwhile would be neat. We've attempted many parts of this restructuring plan before, but there's never been a uniform plan to function under, it was ever changing, so good and bad ideas constantly get swapped and dropped.

Jedi Should absolutely function as a support team to the clones. There should be reliance on clones to progress as a jedi. Your progression and growth as a jedi character takes priority over your military growth. Battalion Link should not be mandatory, but encouraged. However even if not linked, must still play their role.

Council ought to be a title, akin to high command like Iken said. But attainable as long as your a master of any of the ranks.

A continuous concern of mine is how the leadership will begin in the first place, Given the full rank reset + only way to progress being AFKing.

Will new leaders be rank skipped and such to fill slots, and how're they gonna be chosen, ya dig?

We'd do away with the afk meditation being correlated to your rank, as that is separate. Probably select one to three knights to begin the process of overseeing Jedi and allow them to grow into their master role if they're performing or fill a wide range of duties.

As far as the linking being mandatory I'm actively trying to think on ways to not make it mandatory but heavy incentive, while making both sides happy

Open to suggestions on this mark, as long as they aren't bias and balanced

 

[orphanator]

Well it's a compromise, if a jedi has earned that privilege within his battalion at his CO'S approval he should be allowed to have command potential within his unit, if he links the concept is he's working his way in from private just like everyone else and his rank is heavily reliant on his performance within his unit as well to q degree

Well it's a compromise, if a jedi has earned that privilege within his battalion at his CO'S approval he should be allowed to have command potential within his unit, if he links the concept is he's working his way in from private just like everyone else and his rank is heavily reliant on his performance within his unit as well to q degree

I agree with if a CO wants to give a jedi some level of authority within their unit command of a squad or something, I was more referring to a general practice ‘Jedi knight {x} screaming at cpl {y} to do thing {z}


This post has a lot of good ideas— but it’s not necessarily NEW ideas or stuff we have not had before. I’m expressing concern on that particular part due to that being a major problem in the past.

 

[Storm11]

I agree with if a CO wants to give a jedi some level of authority within their unit command of a squad or something, I was more referring to a general practice ‘Jedi knight {x} screaming at cpl {y} to do thing {z}


This post has a lot of good ideas— but it’s not necessarily NEW ideas or stuff we have not had before. I’m expressing concern on that particular part due to that being a major problem in the past.

Yeah most of this isn't a very comically set up, but no as stated in the post Jedi are their own unit. Same as 212th sergeants trying to order a 187th during an op when neither are FM or SM. No sense to be had there, if I'm understanding you correctly.

 

[Storm11]

Unless what I'm understanding is we should always be placed under clones in military ops, in which case I say that's fucking dumb as hell. Our Knights should be similar to any other NCO's within their battalion as they'd have been approved by both Jedi Command Staff & their Clone Command staff which if anything is just an extra level of validation. We just want the same abilities of advancement every average joe gets in their unit. Operating as a whole as a separate battalion but on an individual level as support for units.

Concessions do need to be made, but not all of them come from the Jedi's end. It ain't fair nor is it right. I'm hoping to come up with an agenda on allowing Jedi to be non-mandated to clone units and act entirely away from any command structure of the clones and just be a tool utilized by field marshals but that's just a concept i'd need to look into and ask some parties about.

 

[orphanator]

Ya know that’s not what I was saying, but your response was out of pocket rude. Jedi deserve to have structure and rank that they can advance in that can be initiate to master - if the COs want to give an individual power within their battalion that’s fine. You want “the advancement of an average joe” The it seems like you wanna play a trooper. Try that. You play jedi to be a Jedi and rank up in the order. You play trooper to be a trooper. This is very much a situation of wanting your cake and eating it too. This is seeming more and more like a power grab whenever you respond to someone asking a question or disagreeing with something. I’m not a fan.

 

[Storm11]

Suppose i owe you an apology with that, that wasn't supposed to come out rude just real. Read it lightly and combined it with what a few other people put together on an end that's been a frustration already, from both parties. I can see why a bit of this fell apart before.

I don't know the best way to do this, but this is far from some power grab. We have offered to give clones command of jedi, but not vis versa. And that is specific to the Battalion level, it should operate the same as a 187th Sergeant telling a 212th Corporal what to do when both are players. (non-SM & FM duties)

This is what i have so far on the concept:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1btCvU2jfOuY_yChkruiN9A9URz6pn_XPSOO9OaMA_TA/edit

This is a highly connected group, if a clone has high sway over a Jedi promotions (especially Knight + being mandatory to be linked into a Clone unit), and command over the Jedi in his early stages, then the Jedi should have the ability to command clones in his specific battalion, not outside of it unless performing FM & SM duties which he'll be capable of doing post Knight + when he's been 100% confirmed to have had that experience with both Jedi & Clones. That's the best clarification i can give at this time, and apologies for projecting.

 

[orphanator]

Suppose i owe you an apology with that, that wasn't supposed to come out rude just real. Read it lightly and combined it with what a few other people put together on an end that's been a frustration already, from both parties. I can see why a bit of this fell apart before.

I don't know the best way to do this, but this is far from some power grab. We have offered to give clones command of jedi, but not vis versa. And that is specific to the Battalion level, it should operate the same as a 187th Sergeant telling a 212th Corporal what to do when both are players. (non-SM & FM duties)

This is what i have so far on the concept:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1btCvU2jfOuY_yChkruiN9A9URz6pn_XPSOO9OaMA_TA/edit

This is a highly connected group, if a clone has high sway over a Jedi promotions (especially Knight + being mandatory to be linked into a Clone unit), and command over the Jedi in his early stages, then the Jedi should have the ability to command clones in his specific battalion, not outside of it unless performing FM & SM duties which he'll be capable of doing post Knight + when he's been 100% confirmed to have had that experience with both Jedi & Clones. That's the best clarification i can give at this time, and apologies for projecting.

I understand that this is something you are passionate about and wish to see that the Jedi become the best that they can be. I ask you to keep in mind that what I'm about to post comes form someone who has made it all the way up the ranks in the Jedi in the past and saw many solutions and problems arise due problems such as "Should Jedi have trooper rankings", as well as playing up the ladder on the trooper and working along side Jedi. I understand that you are trying to push for a revival of the Jedi and I am all for it, but I still have concerns on as to how.

I read over the document and as it is as of now It has some good and bad. It is largely what Jedi was in the past where Jedi could affiliate with a battalion and would operate with that battalion during events and could be placed in charge of squads or even XO of a battalion I believe that they should be able to do this still and agree with it. -- My BIG concern with the document that you have linked with that in its current state is that it makes it seem that the only way to go up the Jedi ladder is with the clones permission -- Jedi is its own entity and should have the option to not be reliant off of being affiliated or linked to a battalion in order to rank up, while the document states that is not the case there is no supporting evidence to that. Let me be clear -- I'm not saying that using it as a metric as to when someone should be able to become a knight and for those Jedi who wish to be affiliated with a battalion and are heavily invested in the battalion, their contribution should be weighed -- I'm saying it should not be the only metric and like wise should not be a requirement. In the past many people played Jedi specifically to avoid that sort of structure and wanted to focus specifically on Jedi RP, I believe that should remain an option for the players who wish to do so.

In the past we have had Jedi Generals and Commanders be Jedi who had the ability to FM but it was always made a point differentiate that those were titles that came with responsibility, but were not ranks. I do think the implementation of "Tiers" Of Padawans, knights, and masters is a good idea. In the past Knight and Master were largely unobtainable ranks to achieve and I think that the implementation of tiers is a good way to show progression, it gives people a chance to see themselves advance and gives something obtainable to work towards; however, it is a bit unclear to me if you are trying to say "This is basically the equivalent rank of this for Jedi" or if you are trying to say "If you are a Jedi Master you should carry the weight of a 2LT for overseeing the clones"

Going off the paragraph above, having a Jedi a "rank" in a battalion seems highly unnecessary If we have the tiered based structure. I think CO's / XOs should be able to assign a Jedi responsibilities within the squad or appoint them in charge of a squad or leading the battalion during the operation, but I fail to see what giving them a direct rank really does. If you are worried about 'who will lead the battalion during events or rp if the co or xo isn't on' Its been my experience with this community that it quickly will either get delegated to someone who WANTS to take charge, or it will become a cooperative group effort. While the troopers technically have a set in stone rank structure, I've found that in reality that the battalions that tend to be more cooperative and work more as a team tend to stick around longer, have a higher performance, and be more respected within the community. This is largely why I would rather push for giving a Jedi to be giving responsibilities or positions within their battalion rather than a direct rank. If a CO said "Treat this guy as if he was a sgt" To his units I would have no problem with that compared to "This guy IS a SGT within our unit". The implication of the latter is that it gives the Jedi access to all the trooper specific RP both active and passive. Troopers do deserve their own RP that the Jedi cannot step on, much like how the Jedi will have RP that the troopers will not be able to step on. With this I'm not saying treat Jedi as if they are a second class citizen by any means, rather that they will have different roles on the server. An easy example is if there is a character in RP that says "Let me speak to your battalions highest ranking officer" I feel that unless a jedi is specifically designated as that person that RP should go to a clone.

As I've stated prior I am largely a fan of the suggestions you have put forward, The topic of Jedi ranks has been one of conflict for as long as PR has had Jedi, and I would be doing both you and the community a disservice by not posting my concerns based off of the issues I have seen in the past.

 

[Dazz]

Not that my opinion matters but I saw this post while moving the discord to a folder. Pretty much lot of what you are proposing is stuff that has/had already been tried and done. It all sounds good and jolly on paper like we thought, but the reality is no matter how much structure you create you or ideas you make for jedi you will bump heads with the other people. You can’t avoid it which is why most ideas got thrown out or bad ideas got put in place. The thing about council is it was never to be a rank so I don’t suggest you start doing so. Along with the knight I-Iv exactly what we did and it lasted a few weeks before being reverted. Id recommended coming up with new ideas and not resorting to old ideas that never worked for the jedi. Battalion Jedi is always a good thing to have and it worked well back then but id honestly allow the CO of said battalion the choice if they want a Jedi to have nco duties. I don’t know how bad it’s gotten since I left PR but id say talk to the other players who have had their time in jedi leadership.

 

[Ion]

Unless what I'm understanding is we should always be placed under clones in military ops, in which case I say that's fucking dumb as hell. Our Knights should be similar to any other NCO's within their battalion as they'd have been approved by both Jedi Command Staff & their Clone Command staff which if anything is just an extra level of validation. We just want the same abilities of advancement every average joe gets in their unit. Operating as a whole as a separate battalion but on an individual level as support for units.

Concessions do need to be made, but not all of them come from the Jedi's end. It ain't fair nor is it right. I'm hoping to come up with an agenda on allowing Jedi to be non-mandated to clone units and act entirely away from any command structure of the clones and just be a tool utilized by field marshals but that's just a concept i'd need to look into and ask some parties about.

Jedi being used as tools in events and not being retricted to a clone rank structure has been that way for a very long time and it works. Sure the internal jedi rank progression needs to be addressed now that Knight Trials are not run anymore but I cant tell you how many times an FM/SM has said to me "Jaygo, go help out here." Or "Jaygo, get over there quick and let me know whats over there." We essentially go around from group to group during events helping out wherever we can and generally if people think we did good enough, we get commendations. Restricting Jedi to battalion structures just isnt needed for most Jedi that want a casual experience but could be an option for those who maybe want leadership experience although, I see no reason why Jedi cant just do LCS like they used to. Overall I think we need look back on what actually worked for jedi and how to expand upon it. Seems like alot of these new ideas just aren't necessary.